I must thank Max for responding so quickly to my request to re-open this thread, which is IMHO only beginning to deal with actual discussion of the issues, as opposed to somewhat frantic anti Tory rhetoric, full of thunder but void of substance.

Where Tory MPs are not getting the message that things must change, and that old right wing policies, and old fiddles (both left and right) won't be tolerated, I'm as determined as any of you to do my best to make it clear what the Tory voter wants them to do about it and my MP must be getting fed up of hearing from me.

By the same token, I am getting very fed up of being slagged off by people who have both the education and the intelligence to know a political system, to be accountable, must have alternatives to offer the voting population.

All one party states are, ipso facto, dictatorships, something I think we all know to be undesirable.

So, at least two parties, preferably three, and the fact that I decide to vote in a different direction than you does not make you Good and me Evil, or vice versa.

Nothing has done more damage to Socialist Labour than having voters who say "Labour is for the working man" or "Labour was good enough for my father, so it's......etc". Such a stagnant and unthinking mind set has rendered the genuine "Old Labour" unelectable, because it sets up a barrier against the middle classes' votes being cast in that direction.

So, we now have a Tory Party whose leader is at least trying to move to a more central and more caring position, assisted by a coalition partner which traditionally belongs in the centre, and we have an ersatz Tory Party, which made itself electable by betraying everything that Labour once was, and still should be, and having achieved control, simply frittered away the opportunity, the country's wealth and the respect of socialist voters.

I have said on numerous occasions that when I see a socialist party I will vote for it, but given the choices as outlined above, I believe that I have made the right decision.

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""Now come on Don! Focus....!

What has he got insanity, or rabies....?""


One doesn't need to be factually mad or infected with rabies to make comments which precisely fit the description I employed Al, but then you already know that.

Mark 4 out of 10 - Must find better arguments.

Don T.