Who exactly were you voting for in the years between Carter and Obama, Bobert? (just wondering) Was it 3rd party candidates? Or Republicans?

I know you think it's pragmatism to vote for Obama instead of for the Republicans, whoever they come up with...but what makes you think the corporates are ONLY engaged in "a massive conspiracy" with just the Republicans? Seems to me that both parties are included in that massive conspiracy you are referring to, and that the corporates have them both firmly in their pocket.

They just use the fact that there ARE 2 big parties to make you Americans think you have a real choice in an election. A real alternative. A real way through the ballot box to remove corporate control of your government. In my opinion, you don't. Not at the ballot box.

And you know what? That's exactly the problem Canadians and people in the UK have too. They cannot do a damn thing at the ballot box to change the fact that a consortium of huge corporations and banks are in truth running their governments by buying out all the political parties that have any chance of forming a government. The financiers are in control of the system.

And what is the goal of a financier? To make MORE money. And how do they do it? Well, we've all seen how, haven't we? Through war production and fraud. Through moving jobs to other countries. Through generating massive debt by perpetrating giant pyramid schemes that end up bankrupting a society. And they got bailed out after doing it, didn't they?

You think Obama is gonna fight those guys? I don't. I think he's working for them. And the Republicans work for them too.