Insults aside John P and BTNG, on Ralphie's list of Cyril Tawney, John Tams, Brian Peters, Pete Morton, Bill Caddick, Peter Bond, etc, while I'm confident in saying they've become folk club standards, I'm fairly sure they're not what Maud K was referring to in her definition. They operate on a different level, that of the popular revival song which is, as I think Suibhne circumnavigated, a different beast to the one Ms Karpele intended. I also doubt whether the more single-minded inhabitants of this forum would consider them traditional at all, no matter how loved by club-goer's.

That aside, I'm pressed to disagree with anything Sweeney has said on the matter and from the 300 post mark the thread has become as tiresome to upload as it is to read.