"made clear by repeated statements that I do not deny massacres, or even Israeli participation."
"No chemical weapons at all. No massacres at all. "
Is there any point whatever in proceeding with this farce?
Which of the above statements is really yours - the one where you claim there to have been "No massacres at all" or the one where you say you have "made clear by repeated statements that I do not deny massacres, or even Israeli participation."
One way or the other, you are lying in the face of your own statements.
Jenin
REFERS TO Jenin ONLY
I am not interested in nit-picking about individual massacres - there are plenty of others to replace "marginal" ones - The description of tese 'non-massacres' makes them fully-blown atrocities against civilians - if these are not massacres they certainly count as crimes against civilians.
Your bully thuggishness throughout these threads reflects those you support - take your Zionist cause and shove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin
Sabra /Shatila massacres
Probably the most comprehensive eye-witness description of the massacre which corresponds to everything I have read and watched down the years
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e0_1177434535
IDF and Christian milia massacre of sabra and shatila - Video #1
The Forgotten massacre of sabra and shatila . a crime against humanity committed by the Israeli soldiers and Christian militia against Palestinian families in southern Lebanon refugee camps " Sabra and Shatila in 1982 " ------------------ * Sabra-Shatila Massacre: In September 1982, just a few weeks after the Palestinian men had surrendered their weapons under an internationally brokered peace deal, and were deported from Beirut leaving their families under the protection of an international peace keeping force, the Israeli army invaded Beirut, violating the peace treaty, and some 3000 defenceless Palestinian women and children were rounded up in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila and systematically murdered in cold blood. (For a repeat of this tragedy see Srebrenica in 1995 - only that time it was 8000 Muslim men who were slaughtered after they had handed their weapons to the UN forces who had guaranteed them a "safe haven")................... The slaughter of unarmed children, women, the aged and the infirm was shocking. For me, I was doubly outraged that I had to discover the truth about a brave and generous people only through their deaths. Until then, I never knew Palestinian refugees existed. As a fundamentalist Christian, I had been a supporter of Israel, hated Arabs and saw the Palestinian Liberation Organisation as terrorists to be loathed and feared."

Extract from the back cover of her book "From Beirut To Jerusalem" ............

Timeline of the Massacre
This is a reconstructed timeline of the events leading up to the massacre in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila, as well as the event itself. Most of the information is based on the findings of New York Times correspondent Thomas L. Friedman (as quoted in his article "U.S. PRESSES ISRAEL TO LET U.N. TROOPS MOVE INTO BEIRUT" in the September 20, 1982 issue of The New York Times), whose collection of credible personal witness-accounts as well as those of other reporters have greatly contributed to form this reconstruction of the actual timeline. In addition, information has been taken from Friedman's September 27th, 1982, New York Times article ("ISRAELI GENERAL IN BEIRUT SAYS HE DID NOT KNOW OF KILLINGS") as well as from the report issued by the Israeli Kahan commission of inquiry.
Tuesday, September 14th, 1982
Morning - President-elect Bashir Gemayel is assassinated
Ariel Sharon and Israeli Lt. Gen Eytan decide to send Phalange into camps
Wednesday, September 15th
Morning - Israeli tanks move into Muslim West Beirut
Eytan orders Phalange to mobilize
Afternoon- Area around Sabra and Shatila surrounded by Israeli troops
Israeli checkpoints are set up
First sightings of Christian militiamen heading into Beirut from the airport
Evening- Exchanges of gunfire and shelling in the camps (slight number of casualties)
Trucks carrying Phalange militiamen reported heading towards the airport
Thursday, September 16th
Morning- Constant shooting and shelling in Shatila
Phalange commanders meet with Israeli Gen. Drori to coordinate entry of militia
Afternoon - 1,200 to 1,400 Christian militiamen gathered together at the airport
Evening- Phalangist checkpoints are set up
Christian militiamen enter Sabra and Shatila refugee camps under command
Of Phalange chief Mr. Hobeika, encounter little resistance, round up dozens
Of civilians
Israeli forces receive information on atrocities from witnesses, intercepted
Phalange radio transmissions
First wounded and casualties arrive at area hospitals with gunshot and shrapnel
wounds in the head, chest and stomach; Patients specify Phalangist role
Night- Israeli forces light flares over camps to provide light to militiamen inside
Friday, September 17th
Morning- Over 1,000 Palestinians from Sabra and Shatila seek protection around Gaza Hospital
Hundreds of Palestinians are reportedly rounded up by Phalange militia in Shatila
Gen. Drori calls for halt of operations
Arriving Phalange turned back at airport
Afternoon- Gen. Drori meets Gen. Eytan, does not discuss killings, orders 5 A.M. withdrawal
Of Phalange militia
Trucks loaded with women and children leave camps
Bulldozers with scoops full of bodies are reported seen in camps
Israelis provide Phalange with provisions
Nurse on 8th Floor of Gaza hospital killed by sniper fire
82 Patients flee hospital, Red Cross evacuates 6 babies
Christian militia takes over Akka Hospital, Palestinian nurse raped and shot, Two
Palestinian doctors and one patient taken out of hospital by militia, Two doctors
And two nurses killed by grenade
Evening- Shooting still going on inside Shatila
Saturday, September 18th
Morning- Phalange leave camps at 8 A.M.
Christian militia enters Gaza hospital, orders everyone out, shelter-seekers are
Rounded up, 600 Palestinian civilians are forced to march main street of Shatila
At gunpoint
Reporters are allowed to enter the camps
Lebanese army moves into camps
Recovery efforts begin
Jim Carroll