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Thread #142469   Message #3287091
Posted By: Stringsinger
08-Jan-12 - 01:31 PM
Thread Name: Why didn't MacColl like Dylan?
Subject: RE: Why didn't MacColl like Dylan?
Paxton and Lehrer were for the most part satirists. Their material was topical. They were also funny. Not true with Dylan.

Jim, I'm sure that McColl analyzed Dylan's songs, maybe not in print. As a devotee of traditional ballad forms, there would have had to been a comparison in his mind.
I know that Peggy would have made some.

The idea that rules are arbitrary obstructions in any art form is not understood. There are principles that are contained in good songs such as 1. specificity 2. economy of words 3. painting word pictures 4. a stanza that scans cohesively 5. a singable tune that is wedded to the lyric 6. an avoidance of cliche images 7. a relevance for the time you live in and oxymoronically all time. (There are more).

I have never attended a songwriting workshop that made much sense except maybe one.
Lehman Engel's BMI Musical Theater Workshop in L.A. Most workshops are conducted by songwriters who go along with the prevailing kinds of songs that they hear in clubs, radio, etc. Songs become vogue-ish.

I agree with LH in that songs are a matter of taste. Some are in bad taste. I could elaborate but I don't want to beat this subject to death.