I know, MtheGM, you're quite right. And she's an example of how parents spoil their offspring. I don't believe one is doing one's kids any favours by not being a bit strict with them when necessary. My sis has spoiled these girls, perhaps because their father died when they were babies. But love involves being tough at times. I'm a bit of a stickler when it comes to good manners, but nowadays not everyone shares that view. Times change, and it's a bit 'old fogeyish' not to accept that.