In my experience there is almost a perfect correlation but I am all for people who like them using them with great enjoyment..just not bringing them into groups that are not using them and insisting on using them. We have been fairly honest on these boards how we feel but have failed to really tell people in person, which is a delicate subject and hurts their feelings..so we just fade away adn quit going to things. We just need to identify ourselves and excuse ourselves to alternate buildings and leave people who like the books to enjoy themselves..what happens though is they often find the music is better in the other rooms and start the process over with the books..then people look for other quarters to sing without the books and it goes on all night long. mg