""it also seems to me that evolutionists do exactly what they accuse creationists of.that is assuming their model[which may be neo darwinism ,punctuated equilibrium or mixture]as true and making the data fit.""

No, you can't have that one free of opposition Pete. That is exactly what evolutionists (scientists would be a better word) do not do.

Relying on reproducible evidence is not faith. IT IS SCIENCE!

It is Creationists who shoehorn evidential truths to fit their preconceptions.

It is scientists, by careful and controlled experiment, who produce that verifiable and reproducible evidence. It is scientists who are willing, when presented with fresh and contradictory evidence, to accept it and change their conclusions to accommodate it.

When did a Creationist ever even consider fresh evidence, let alone accept it.

Don't bother Pete I'll tell you.......NEVER! That's when.

Don T.