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Thread #143239   Message #3306019
Posted By: Jim Carroll
11-Feb-12 - 11:52 AM
Thread Name: BS: Homs horror (Syria, 2012)
Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
I CONDEMN ANY COUNTRY THAT SELLS ARMS TO DESPOTS
I have already said several times now that there is no difference between any of them -they are all dealers in death, why are you defending Britain's record of selling weapons to despotic regimes?
As a Briton I can only take responsbility for what is done by the British government - I criticise all others from afar.
I unreservedly condemn all nations that trade in arms with despotic countries which have poor human rights records - the top five being US, China, Britain France and Russia, in that order - will you join me in that condemnation?   
For the record - these are the league tables for world arms sales

US $698bn (42% of the world share)
China $119bn (7.3%)
UK, $59bn (3.7%)
France $59.3bn (3.6%)
Russia 58.7bn (3.6%)

"Britain is hardly in the same league."
In fact Britain comes below China but above Russia, and the US is the top dealer in weapons by far - 42% of the world share.
"come up with is some sniper rifles."
Oh, that's all right then - I suggest you open up the links I gave you; I misjudged them - I thought they killed people - and the armoured vehicles, the electronic equipment, and the Lybian police that were trained in Britain......
I suggest you save me the trouble of reproducing the articles on Britain's record on dealing with despotic regimes and open up the links I gave you - meanwhile here's one I prepared earlier.
Jim Carroll

"UK SELLS ARMS TO REPRESSIVE REGIMES- OFFICIAL
MPs question British arms supplies to Middle East and North Africa
Minister admits trade with undemocratic countries with poor human rights record
Saudi Arabian troops arrive in Bahrain to prop up the monarchy against widening demonstrations. Photograph: Ammar Rasool/APAimages/Rex Features
How can Britain, one of the world's leading arms exporters, honour its stated commitment to promote human rights throughout the world?
With difficulty.
Vince Cable, the business secretary, has admitted as much. "We do trade with governments that are not democratic and have bad human rights records", he told a crossparty group of senior MPs. "We do business with repressive governments and there's no denying that".
Cable's refreshing admission of what we all know anyway did not satisfy members of the Commons committee on arms export controls on Tuesday night, not least the chairman, the former Conservative defence minister, Sir John Stanley. He accused the government of adopting a "rosy tinted" and "over optimistic" view of "authoritarian regimes".
The MPs were questioning Cable and William Hague, the foreign secretary, about Whitehall's approval of exports, including crowd control ammunition, guns and ammunition to Libya, Bahrain, and Egypt, in the period leading up to the Arab Spring last year. The MPs also raised questions about reports that Saudi Arabia sent troops in British trucks to Bahrain during the protests in the Gulf state last year.
In a stinging report a year ago, the parliamentary committee noted that successive governments had allowed British arms supplied to north Africa and the Middle East to be used for internal repression in apparent breach of official guidelines.
The MPs welcomed the revocations of 158 arms export licences to governments brutally cracking down on civil protests but added that this merely reflected the "degree of policy misjudgment" that had occurred.
Under official UK guidelines, no arms exports would be allowed that would exacerbate regional conflict or be used for internal oppression. "We don't have perfect foresight", Cable told the MPs.
Hague went further. "In the case of Libya noone predicted what was going to happen", he said as though Gaddafi had only turned into a dictator last year after Libyans in Benghazi began to rise up.
As to Iraq, Hague added, that country had a right to self-defence. Moreover, it had a booming oil industry. "It was very important that BP and Shell are involved in a country like that", said the foreign secretary.
As far as Saudi Arabia was concerned, he said the government had raised concerns about its treatment of women and foreign workers. But 99 percent of Britain's exports to the Kingdom consisted of Typhoon jets. "They are not relevant to our concerns about these rights", said Hague.
And Saudi forces were sent into Bahrain last year "to guard installations but not to take part in dealing with unrest in Bahrain so they did not fall foul [of the export guidelines]".
Cable told MPs that the government had reviewed its system of monitoring arms exports and that in future ministers would be able to "suspend" arms exports quickly in the event of political upheaval or a regional crisis.
Britain is among the world's top five arms suppliers, selling more than £2bn in 2009, according to the latest figures from the International Institute for Strategic Studies. The most lucrative markets, notably in the Middle East, but also the Indian subcontinent, are those where the citizens are not in a position to object or where arms sales further destabilise an already unstable region.
As Hague demonstrated, there are always ways of getting round mutually contradictory policy objectives - in this case, promoting both arms sales and human rights."