Ok, back onto the core topic. A good idea as our creationist friends seemed on unsteady ground when the debate was widened.

There is proof, and by proof I mean you can see it, carbon date or other means test it and set every single discovery against it. It being that we have evolved over a long period, much longer than parochial observers in a small part of the planet two thousand years ago claim.

Our observations of the universe put the wonderful yet fictional stories in genesis into perspective. It would be churlish to decry the bible for not being factual in the same way it would be wrong to dismiss Lord of the Rings for the same reason, but if somebody tries saying Middle Earth exists and The Silmarillion is the good book, I will gently move to another area of the bar.

So.. what can pete and Iona say to the rest of the population of the planet to convince us their misplaced faith is literal?

Or indeed, as they seem to be telling us without convincing us, what would it take? A conjuring trick? A brain washing period every Sunday till it is drilled in?

I notice Baroness Warsi, who insists on saying she is a Muslim politician rather than, say a female, or Dewsbury inhabiting politician is at The Vatican today, telling the Pope that religion is under threat from aggressive secularism.

Yeah, a few hundred years ago, the flat earth hypothesis was under threat too.... I suppose if the chips were down, and people did their usual thing and took such nonsense seriously, we might see a threat fall into conflict? Bandits at 2.00, operating a pincer movement from behind the vicarage?

Me? So many Christians, never enough nails when you need them......