"Eliza was kind enough to say" Will you please stop using Eliza as a human shield. Do not hide behind other people's statements and try making a few of your own for a change. Whether I agree with her or not, I don't "suspect" Eliza of anything other than of giving an honest opinion - she always has. On the other hand, with your track record, I can't say the same for you. I seem to remember that you hid behind a politician (of all professions) who was "above suspicion" when you made your outrageous "all British Pakistanis" statement. Nobody has all the answers to these questions; that's why we take part in these discussions, otherwise we may as well sit on our hands and wait for the next all-encompassing pronouncement to come along. For somebody who has consistently lied about my personal affiliations, has been caught out in those lies, yet has refused to either withdraw or apologise (see Homs thread) I find a demand for an apology somewhat...... breathtaking, to say the least. "Please stick to the debate" And once more stop skulking behind thread drift and accusations of "anti-British" and ignoring evidence put before you - you are not a forum adjudicator Make your argument - your own argument and not somebody elses. I have asked you that you do not make this another argument between the two of us MAKE YOUR POINTS TO EVERYBODY HERE, NOT JUST MEand let everybody take part. If I am proved wrong, I will concede and apologise if necessary - prove me wrong by making your argument Jim Carroll