This is the correct one:

Well now, this is really interesting, 'Hookey Wole' makes a comment that this is going on in the U.K, and they're checking out us, here.
Now before I go any further, imagine, for a moment, that my post is calm, as my general demeanor...and we're all in a room, chatting pleasantly......no hateful, intentions, and nobody driving an agenda...OK?..Calm....

Interesting to note also, is the discussion about 'personal attacks'...and 'trolls'...and bickering......So, let me shed a little light, on what has become a predictable....(oh so predictable)...progression, and just ask a couple of simple questions..(being as I'm only a 'guest' on here, I can be pretty objective of what I've seen...and been subjected to).

A 'troll' is someone who prowls around finding obnoxious things to say, and lures people into nasty, resentful nonsense, just to fuck with them, right?...(or close to).......and they use 'personal attacks', and veer off the topic of the thread, while they banter on with their hateful, resentful semi-literate diatribes. More often than not, backed up with facts(?)..some wish to discuss intelligently, with hopefully intelligent people, so they can exchange input...about a particular subject.....and Lord knows, maybe ideas are shared, and knowledge and intelligence grow...to the benefits of interested people..either regulars, or people just 'poppin' in'...And of course, 'trolls' with their personal attacks just give Mudcat (or any online forum) the appearance of a home for obnoxious morons...right?

Now that we've established that, I need to ask a couple of questions. You know what they say, "A well placed question can change a life."
(inside 'psych-speak').

Has anyone really noticed who is most vocal about 'trolls' and 'personal attacks'??...and what they say about it, and them('personal attacks')?
Valid point! So I need to ask those same people, "Would you classify calling someone a 'racist' or a 'bigot' a personal attack?.....or is it just an 'impersonal tactic'?...without regard for the feelings of who you accuse, when they may not even have a 'racists' or 'bigoted' bone in their body??? Is it personal or not? Has anyone on here regularly, maybe out of frustration used that tactic, when they have run out of info to support their position in a discussion, supportive to the 'side' they have taken?...in other words, when you run out of bullshit, have you just resorted to 'name-calling'??.....and steer the tread into meaningless drivel???.....Didn't we just say that's what the 'trolls' do???
Has anyone else noticed that the chief and most vociferous whiners, are the very same people who routinely use the words 'bigot' and 'racists' in accusatory language???...Yes!..the SAME ONES!!..and you can go back and check any time you want..it's all there.

Now, as to 'deleted threads', in conjunction with the previous.
This is the tactic:...Any number of opinionated half-wits get involved with a topic, on a controversial issue...he sees that he is in trouble of 'winning his point'(usually because he is wrong due to political indoctrination that he never checked out)...so, seeing he is in trouble, he contacts any number of vocal 'know nothings' to back him up....and they all proceed to gang-bang, and tag-team, the person who isn't convinced by ANY of their nonsense....the thread turns into a 'squabble-fest'...with of course, the usual 'idiot-trolls' screaming 'racist!' and 'bigot!'...the rest of the moronic posse chimes in....and NOTHING IS SHARED, that could have been....and that gives reason for one of the nit-wits to request the thread being shut down..ITS THERE, check it out for yourselves!!..matter of fact, all over the place!

On another thread, one of the morons posted my name, and tried to have it appear as if I was requesting closing the thread . ..and it was closed. When I saw that I post that I DID NOT put that up, and asked to have it removed. It was. Joe, or whomever, removed it. He knows from the IP address who it is. Same person who answered 'Delete it'...when asked how he'd handle a thread he didn't like....and a bunch of true stuff was deleted......including a post about Martin & Zimmerman, and a link to the story about how the 'news' media doctored the 911 call, and the divisions that resulted in it. For some lame-ass reason, some wannabe agitator didn't want YOU to know that this whole heated discussion had more to do with the fucked up media's political agenda, than reporting the news....and, by the way, I AM a recording engineer, and I've listened VERY!...VERY!! closely to the recordings of that call and, and there is NO WAY that it was done unintentionally!
Do you mean there are those in here, who's political orientation is so fucked-up that they would stubbornly promote a lie and suppress FACTS, just so they can feel 'important' to the 'cause'????..built on lies???....and shut people up who are speaking the truth...because for them to 'enjoy their sense of importance' they take it upon themselves to fuck you up, too??? ..and you want buy into it???...and can't see that for what it is???...and you want to promote bullshit, supported by sheer bullshit???? That get's you off???
Meanwhile, in the real world, somebody just coming through, sees this behavior.....and just writes off Mudcat for being a bunch of senile wannabes suffering from diaper rash from their 'Depends'....is that what you bring in here???

So, in closing, for now, there will be some who completely understand what I'm saying....and some jack-ass moron will pretend he didn't understand a bit of it, some will be pissed off for being exposed, but the only real or good thing that can come of it, is to resolve to make it better.....and try, if you can't 'win' your argument, at least consider that the guy you feel you need to call libelous names at, is probably smarter than you, on the subject, and shut your mouth for a few moments, and attempt to discipline yourself to actually learn something, or ask inquisitively more questions on it...as if you could actually be interested in something more than proving what stupid opinionated jerk sounds like when trolling!!!
Fair Enough???

Waving, and Smiling Calmly

GfS