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Thread #144682   Message #3345778
Posted By: Steve Shaw
01-May-12 - 03:02 PM
Thread Name: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka--Contd...
Subject: RE: BS: YEC Eureka--Contd...
Well Don. "Proven" is another of those words, innit! Yeah, I'm perfectly happy to see evolution, in its general thrust, described as (shall we say) "established to the limits of current scientific knowledge." With that I couldn't possibly disagree. But the sentence contains a hidden proviso, that, once those limits are conquered, there may have to be some revision. I'm up for accepting, nay, wanting there to be revisions, but there can only be revisions within. The fact of evolution, that is to say, that it definitely takes place, is rock-like. It can't be overturned. There is far too much interlocking evidence (of the scientific kind) for any process of reasoning, honestly applied, to be able to contradict it.

As for using the word truth, well I've sort of been using it one way or another all my life. I googled the word and read the wiki article on the word and I couldn't bloody understand half of it! I use the word to mean something unassailable, arrived at by having good evidence (in the scientific sense, though you don't have to keep harking back to science every time you talk about truth) which was interpreted using, honestly, reason. A creationist misuses the word. There is no evidence, of the scientific kind, for creationism. Reason cannot be applied to no evidence or faux-evidence (hearsay, witness, tradition, teachings, myth, ritual, dodgy ancient manuscripts) in order to arrive at truth. You cannot arrive at truth via blind faith. All the machinations of an elaborate belief system, with all its theology or whatever orthodoxy, can't get one iota nearer the truth. Creationists who talk about their truths are misusing the word. They have not hijacked the word, like the computer age has hijacked "spam." So that shouldn't stop me from using it. It should merely make me tell them that they are misusing it. My using the word does not put me in their territory. What puts me in their territory is saying things like "I don't believe in God." Or even "I am an atheist." That defines me by their standards. You can't say that if I use a word that they blatantly misuse.