No. I told you that there's no way I'm letting that bunch of clods usurp a perfectly good word. Saying that evolution is a fact is just as good as saying it's true. If you can't say the one you can't say the other either, if Snail's argument is to be followed (please yerself...) To me, the, er, fact that evolution takes place is incontrovertible. So I'm saying that when I say evolution takes place, it's true. I'm telling the truth. I'm being truthful. I care not a jot that some demented God-botherer or other equates my use of the word with his. His truth is not my truth because his is based on blind faith and mine is based on evidence and reason. I don't recognise truth based on blind faith personally, though I can well believe it's true he thinks it. That's a very easy point to make and it should be made every single time that he claims equivalence. And I do not agree with you that there is no non-negotiable line when it comes to evolution. Oh yes there is. The fact that evolution takes place is utterly non-negotiable. Almost everyone here has been saying exactly that to pete, only in different words. That is the gist of what we are all telling him.

Now if anyone has evidence that suggests evolution does not take place, even evidence that so much as faintly undermines that fact, well let's have it. In truth, there isn't any.