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Thread #144598   Message #3347045
Posted By: GUEST
05-May-12 - 12:31 AM
Thread Name: BS: 'Heroes' or Mercenaries?
Subject: RE: BS: 'Heroes' or Mercenaries?
the real issue is the long run of military cazpitalism from the british empire to the american. the military industrial complex have created an economy based on war, wshich serves the war capitalists, rather than trying to create an economy open to all and trying to create wealth locally. people are not forced to join the forces in rich countries they just refuse to change the system and have refused for centuries. few want to abandon jingoism and agression that creaste the conditions for consdtant american and british military interference in other countries.

RESPONSE: The long run of capitalism, military or otherwise, is as old as humanity. True, war at times serves capitalists, and if they're smart, even when they lose. We all know this, so what's your point?

those who served in iraq were agressive mercenaries. saddam was proped up by americans for decades. they sold him the mustaqrd gas and nerve gas components. if they hadn't supported him they wouldn't have had to overthrow him. in iran the us coup that over threw the elected mozadegh government created the present conditions. if american stopped interfering in other countries they will not have to invade to set up new regimes.

RESPONSE: I agree.

there was no justification for vietnam to iraq, except the profits of the military industrialm complex.

RESPONSE: True.

more worrying is the on going massacre of natives in central america, especially guatemala, by us proped up regimes. that is an on going genocide.

RESPONSE: True.

afghanistan , well it was a nato obligation so if canada wanted to remain in nato we had to get involved, and the taliban were hartbouring terrorists. however i see no justification for iraq, intertference in iran nor interference in central america.

RESPONSE: Canada is in Afghanistan because the USA needed immediate-reaction troops to be in Iraq. You will (should) recall that we had just been through the various flus which were determined by the CDC to have been of 'foreign' origins. Canada had an Alberta farmer/rancher who had an anthraxed cow. He made the mistake of saying so. Anthrax is in the soil of every fucking cattle field in the world. But Canada when Bush was the King became one of the Yankee's enemies. We were punished to the tune of about five billion dollars--that would be fifty billion US dollars. It was strangling our economy, so after we refused to join the "Coalition of the Willing"--that pathetic presentation of Bush on TV whereon/in he gave us the coalition of the USA, UK, Spain and Bulgaria. So, a deal was struck. Canada sent about 2500 troops to Afghanistan and the USA with suddenly-free-up-troops to the tune of 3000 and sent them to Iraq.

of course given the historical genocide in the americas i would like to see the united states ot of north america. then maybe we could establish an actual democracy rather than the corporate controlled sham we now have

RESPONSE: Historical genocide is not just an American thing. It is not forgiven them by themselves or to greater or lesser degree any other peoples. We live with it or not. The corporate view--that is, the view that you see as being corporate--is as much as we need to do, or die. The one thing to remember is to take a few of the bastards with you before you go. Take the bad ones.