Well, Brendan, it seems like Jack the Sailor, presumably half of pete the Sailor, is demonstrating exactly those traits you see fit to condemn in others from your assumed lofty perch. As for pete having a mature discussion, well now there's a laugh. What pete is actually doing, with his eyes tight shut, is perennially insulting the whole body of science. He doesn't need to make it personal. If you think that is part of mature debate, Jack, I think you may have lost it somewhat.