Good point Steve Shaw. What has whupped the Soviet Union was the fact that their people looked at the deal we were getting, and they wanted MacDonalds and Nissan cars not - five year plans, bread queues, Lada cars. And they want in....and for that they are willing to stop sending their citizens to the Gulag. All kinds of shitty little dictatorships are willing to swap being nasty tyrants for a bit of affluence. Its a great incentive.

Put the utter stupidity of the fishery policy against the fact that none of our generation or the generation after have had to go through the shit our parents and grandparents did, in the two world wars last century.

The EEC is a pain in the balls run by the second raters in field that has Cameron as our number one. Nuff said! Hardly anyone votes in Euro elections - so we've got some real dogs running the show.

however as an alternative to the next great conflagration - its a no brainer.