pete,

You wrote, further up this thread:

" ... it is an illogical challenge to say who caused him [God}.you may say you dont believe in him but IMO it is nonsence to ask who or what caused him ..."

No, it's not an "illogical challenge to say who caused him [Him]" - but asking the question generates a problem i.e. if the creator had a creator then that implies that the creator's creator had a creator ... and so on (an infinite doodah ... can't remember the right word at this time in the morning!). Just to insist the it all started with The Creator because it says so in the Bible may have been enough to stop a superstitious medieval peasant from asking awkward questions - but no-one on this thread is a superstitious medieval peasant (although I wonder about you sometimes, pete!).

It's interesting to compare your absolutist position with the question, "what came before the Big Bang?" The fact is that some physicists will tell you that all time and space started with the Big Bang - so the question has no meaning, others will tell you that the question does have meaning but we just don't know - and some in that camp will tell you that we will never be able to answer the question, while others will tell you that we may be able to answer the question some day ... and so on. At least we don't have tyrannous absolutism which denies us the right to ask questions based on some dubious ramblings in an old book!