Now Bill. I explode with justifiable impatience at this man's silly notions, we've been at him for months like a bunch of lunatics and now you tell me I "have no idea how to be right." Well I'm telling you that no-one here has succeeded, no matter how "right", in penetrating this man's armour. In fact I suspect that he's all armour with nothing inside. I groan every time I see you or anyone else giving pete a long, patient, gentle explanation of the way things really are. It's a lamentable waste of time. He is enjoying this business of toying with us, serially employing the one ploy he knows (pretending to be stupid and ignorant about science then shitting all over it). pete has persuaded us all what a nice man he is. Well I demur. Nice men don't close their eyes tight shut and shit all over science - and scientists. He feigns dignity (and has hoodwinked a number of people here into believing it) from a position which utterly lacks any semblance of dignity, that of glorying in pig ignorance. If you "know how to be right", Bill, show pete, and hurry up about it. You've failed miserably (just like the rest of us) so far.