You just beat me to it there, Shimrod. How any sane person can call "Darwinism" a "cherished holy cow" utterly defeats me. Now I'm not out to assassinate the character of this folkie troubadour, but I would just remind everyone left reading this that I have repeatedly told pete to read On The Origin Of Species. He has failed to do so (even though it's written in beautiful, elegant and easy English - all you have to do is turn off Coronation Street while you're reading it), yet he still comes on here dissing "darwinists," "Darwinism," evolutionism," and whatever else he chooses to pejoratively call it. Ugly stuff it is, not the rather sweet naivety that he hopes we'll all be hoodwinked into accepting. Once you have studied Origin, and understood at least its main thrust, you are entitled to come on here and lambast us all with your objections. But come on here and attempt to lambast us with your ignorant preconceptions and you are asking us to be rude to you and tell you to stop wasting our bloody time. pete may be a nice man down the boozer with his singing mates but he is an absolute horror here. The smiley little man who can't do capital letters is full of the same bogus arguments that maintain almost half the population of the US, for example, in scientific pig ignorance. One hopes he limits his views to this forum where at least he can't do much harm.