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Thread #144682   Message #3357427
Posted By: Steve Shaw
30-May-12 - 07:32 PM
Thread Name: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka--Contd...
Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka--Contd...
Stringsinger

"I've said it before and I will probably have to say it again, "You can't defeat creatoinism with bad science.""

But you can defeat it with the words of Richard Leakey who is a renowned scientist.

Indeed, but Richard Leakey doen't spout bad science as far as I have heard.

Creationism doesn't qualify as any kind of science and so is self defeating.

True.

If this information has been around as has been alluded to and ignored, it says volumes about the specious arguments of Creationism.

It hasn't been ignored. It is now pretty much mainstream having fought it out for a few years with the multiregional hypothesis. Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve is a good place to start.

Where is the bad science here?

If Steve Shaw and I agree (in our own different ways. I said "It is not a peer reviewed science journal.", he said "The article is crap") that the article is not really up to snuff, I think it is worth considering that it should be read with caution. A couple of quotes -
obliterating any literal interpretation of the Garden of Eden and replacing it with a new evidence-based creed. The Garden of Eden is not science. Neither evolution nor genetics is a creed.
Spencer Wells (pictured below). With his blond hair, blue eyes and Nebraska roots, he is the ideal high priest to explain to white Americans that they are blacks gone curdy. I will not speculate on what the man thinks he is saying here.

Evolution is not a religion, regardless of how many times that lie is repeated.

Certainly not, which is why I get rather annoyed with people who ought to know better talking as if it is.

It is a science in transition that is being used to find new evidence and breakthroughs in the scientific understanding of mankind as a species.

Not just mankind, but all life on Earth. All science is transitional; that's why "Evolution is true" just won't do.

There may not be total unanimity about scientific studies, that's not the role of science,
but to ignore it entirely as the Creationists have done merits no consideration on their part as having a valid argument.

Couldn't agree more.


I quote the whole of this post in order to illustrate that, here, we have a man who posts for the sake of posting and who actually has nothing to say. If you don't believe me, do scrutinise it all again. There is not a single point of any substance herein, yet he employs the post as a vehicle to have another pot at the point I made many moons ago that evolution is true (which it is). He compounds the error by making the trite and nonsensical statement that "all science is transitional." Meaningless or what! It actually sounds a bit like, er, a creed to me! So is evolution true? Let's break this down (for the umpteenth time, for the sake of the impenetrables hereabouts). Does evolution happen? Yes or no? Are you sure it happens? (I am!) If you're sure it happens, is it not OK to say that it's true that evolution happens? If so, then why can't I economise on words and say that evoution is true? Did I ever say, anywhere, that the science of evolution was thoroughly resolved? Why no, I didn't! Didn't I say that the evidence for evolution, in its general thrust, is incontrovertible? Do you disagree with that? Do you think that evolutionary theory will, in its entirety, ever have to be abandoned? If yes, what will it take? Jehovah arriving in a chariot of fire might just about do it for me! Does this mean my mind is fixed? Why no, not at all! Because, Snail and your new camp-follower, I only said "in its general thrust!" I did not say that the science of evolution is settled. In fact, I've said more explicitly and more often than you have that the opposite is the case. Now no arsing about here, less still another unfocused tirade about "abuse" or creeds or playing into the hands of self-evident creationist idiots or lack of scientific process or that I'm self-proclaimed. I either want answers to the questions I've just asked, or else I want you to go and waste someone else's time.

And as for "If Steve Shaw and I agree..." Heheh, don't flatter yourself.