I couldn't agree more gnu. I have often said before that the real "sport" of hooligans is not football - or come to that ice-hockey, rugby or darts - it is fighting. It is a tribal urge among some young men which offers excitement, a sense of common purpose and a chance of breaking out of the usual social restraints and rules which inhibit them. I think what we really need is a World Hooligan Championships so that these aresholes can beat each other up away from fans of other sports. It could be held perhaps on a disused industrial estate or somewhere in the California Desert and the participants could be allowed to proceed with their preferred line of activity unfettered by the restraints which the rest of us prefer. Until that happens, I fear they will always attach themselves to large social gatherings (such as football matches) where they can target the "other tribe" as enemies rather than sporting opponents. It is not a football problem, it is a society problem which has infested football.