Fifty percent of the thread is the SSDD between these two and the fucking thread is about neither of them, it has just begun to seem so. It's a pain in the arse to skip posts because when these guys aren't fighting with each other they have valuable information to contribute, both being relatively informed and smart. However, now that I've pissed off both I suppose I'll be at the top of someone's shit list now, like I've never been THERE before. Gentlemen, take cold showers.