"I do not deny the figures or that they are atrocious. But let's also keep them in perspective when discussing this topic"

I'm keeping them completely in perspective though. All I said was that you sometimes have claims from US posters that the UK somehow doesn't protect its citizens when in fact the murder rate in the UK is way below that of the US despite us being similar type societies. Whatever we're doing we must be doing something right. The fact that there are other nations (ie Columbia and Mexico etc) where things are even worse is neither here nor there.