""We must bring Civilization and Enlightenment to the wogs!"

Hmmm. You can't talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand. Well, not openly anyway. Pretty offensive, rather wide of the mark and . . . oh well.

" the murder rate in the UK is way below that of the US despite us being similar type societies."

But as any fule kno who's visited one to the other of either countries from either both the above statements are total shite, born of ignorance. Although we speak the same language we are certainly not the same society, not the same culture and with both have differing values. That's not a judgement on either country, it just is.

I have friends in the US who are into guns big style, and don't understand I really am not comfortable handling guns, or blanch at the idea of having a collection of firearms in the house. When I'm in the US, I simply can't imagine that a fair number of people around me might be carrying a gun.