And the damnedest thing about it all: I've spent the last ten minutes trying to add this thread to my tracer. I click on trace after the thread in the thread list, I click on "add to tracer" above this box, no matter what I do, it sends me back to my personal page to show me that the thread is still not there. I hope people keep writing so it will stay on the master list until i've master the thang. --seed