I was talking to Marianne, not you. Who asked you to butt in? I specifically excluded you from my disclaimer, as I can't think of too many insults for you, Woodentop. Mind you, I needn't really bother, as you are making a pretty good job of making a thorough fool of yourself with no outside assistance. I can scarcely believe it; but you actually are using a cliché like "horny-handed" in all seriousness, aren't you? Do you genuinely not realise what a caricature you are making of yourself, with your foolish, horny-headed, chippy-shouldered idiocies?