"gnu, olddude, do you think that having thorough training is part of the definition of being a responsible gun owner? Should we require it? Taken from the other side, is it irresponsible to not require gun owners to be trained in the safe use of guns?"

Sorry, bud but I gotta take an "Oh, fuck me, here we go again." on this one. And, the subsequent posts.. gee whilikers eh??? It's been done a thousand times and you antis just keep yappin and you just keep doin nothin... squat... shit about it. I challenge any of you to start an org to get something done. I'll be an advisor... Dan will probably volunteer likewise... there are many RESPONSIBLE gun owners here who don't need a fucking definition of who they are to help out getting the problem solved. Just seems nobody wants to do anything more than ween about it and shit on responsible gun owners... and you had better think about that before any of you say you are just shitting on irresponsible gun owners because, if you do, you haven't understood any of my posts... or even READ them.

I gotta try to just leave this thread before my head explodes... BUT before I do TRY... no guns allowed to be stored or carried within a mile of a school or in public parks or on public transportation??? That is way beyond a "Fuck me, are you serious?" Do you think for one minute the NRA can't shut you down / shit all over you for that? And not just because of what Lighter so aptly stated.

Sorry for being so upset and venting but I have been trying to educate people on both sides of this issue here in Mudcat for ten years or so and at least ten years before that in my area. It's a serious problem that will get worse but proposing illogical and counter-productive gun laws will NEVER EVER fly. If any of you ever read back through my and others' posting history on this subject you will come to understand that there are good gun laws and bad gun laws. A buddy of mine lost his head over a bad gun law. Lost his head. A guy cut off his head with a sword. I shant explain... look it up... it's "in the threads".

The NRA is not more powerful than logic so don't spew illogical crap. It hasn't worked yet. Try something reasonable.

One last time... stop weening and do something about the problem. This continuous bullshit is enough to make my head explode.

gnightgnu