OK.

So as not to be seen as a thug, even by those whose opinion of me is irrelevant...

100% agree with one thing you said Akenaton. This is not the forum to adequately discuss rape.

50% agree with your thought that liberal minded people vs right wing people in terms of thinking for themselves. I say 50% because of course, your observation brings stereotyping to a whole new level.

Bridge would be happy to be called a liberal minded chap, and as we constantly notice, he does think for himself. I am comfortable with liberal in broad terms too, and how often would I want to nail my flag to his mast?

Oh, personal responsibility has been removed more than ever in society. I quite agree. Thinking that most behaved better before though is perhaps rose tinted and nostalgic, if yu don't mind me saying so. Problems were pushed under the carpet more, that's all.

How many young girls went away with their mothers for a few months and the "mother" happened to have a baby whilst away, and brought it up having an elder "sister"? How many nunneries were full of traumatised late term abortion girls or if they were lucky, given up their child at birth? Public health records are full of them.......... And they are no modern phenomenon either.