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Thread #61622 Message #3394878
Posted By: Jim Carroll
25-Aug-12 - 09:54 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: No Irish Need Apply
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: No Irish Need Apply
"Jim, out of curiosity, where were these signs?"
Sorry - don't know that area any more - completely changed since I lived in Manchester - somewheree near Eddie Frow's Working Class Library.
We had a Traveller with us at the time and had to visit three pubs before we could get served.
"I have never seen one and do not believe there are any."
So the photograph on the Musical Traditions site is a forgery.
We worked with Travellers for thirty years in London, Bristol Birmingham, Swindon and Norwich and regularly encountered them right up to when our last singer, Mikeen McCathy died.
Mikeen was part of the London Roadside Travellers group that campaigned in Hackney for their removal for pubs there.
They were still around in Britain four years ago.
That you choose to ignore photographic evidence placed before you is typical of the dishonest way you argue.
Now if you have nothing articulate to say on the matter, please piss off
From not a million miles away from Hertford
Gypsies and Travellers can experience unequal treatment from the police. They cite stories of being arrested without due cause, unfairly barred from public venues, or repeatedly stopped and questioned. The CRE in 2004 pointed out that some forces are working to improve their equality strategies and practices, but in many areas there is a long way to go.
There are still 'No Travellers' signs in some pubs and shops, where Gypsies and Travellers face suspicion and extra scrutiny by security guards. Evidence also points to Gypsies and Travellers being prevented from entering cinemas and facing discrimination at fast food/restaurants and other retailers. In July 2008, Travellers also alleged that they were turned away from the Royal Windsor Horse Show.17 There can also be problems with getting taxis to drop off at sites. Gypsies and Travellers can and do meet outright public hostility and racism. Gypsies and Travellers are often the target of racist incidents, which can include verbal abuse, inappropriate jokes, damage to property, physical assault and even murder.18 Chants at football matches that equate players with long hair to living in caravans remain common to this day, whilst other stereotypically offensive and racist chanting has largely disappeared from UK football stadia. Leicestershire's Hate Incident Monitoring Project is a good source of information on hate incidents, including those of a racial nature.19