Don - may I remind you of your words on the "American values" thread? Why don't you apply them to conservative Britain?


"""It was just a reassertion of the basic values of American political culture: self-determination, individual aspiration and genuine community, as opposed to belief in the state as the fount of all social virtue."""

No Sawz, a return to the old Republican mantra, as follows:-

1. The value of a citizen is directly proportional to the number of zeros on his paycheck.

2. A smack in the mouth or a bullet are the answer to all disputes.

3. The poor schmucks who work their socks off to produce the wealth for the valued citizens, if they get sick, can choose. Go without treatment, or starve!!

After all, they're just indolent losers who don't have the ambition to join the seven zero elite.

That's the ""basic values of American political culture:"" you are talking about, and it is nothing more or less than a measure of how far your America is from genuine civilisation.

Thank God most here don't listen to your crap.

Don T."