Oh, one other thing...no I don't agree that people are capable of violating God's will...only that they are capable of gross stupidity, error, hatefullness, violence, etc...

None of that is a violation of "God's will" as such...but it is certainly a violation of good sense and wisdom.

It all depends on what you think "God's will" is. I don't think of God as laying down rules...but as loving and sustaining and providing for all possibilities. Then we use our free will and decide...well or poorly...what to do with those possibilities.

It's just a different theological viewpoint, and I realize that many do not share it. I put if forward not to say that you ARE wrong, necessarily, but just to explain what I believe. Sometimes I get too vehement.

- LH