The debate isn't so much about him as about the person who greases the tube and inserts it.

Here, you do seem to have a fixation with pushing things up people's bums? (See "gay marriage" thread passim).

Raedwolf - the problem with your argument re morals may not be as clear cut as your support for killing people, although that alone is an indication of where our moral compasses point differently, no.

The problem with your argument is that morals are subjective and in the eye of the beholder. Hence judges and juries to compare your stance with the "norm".

And on that subject, I am satisfied I have a sink proof pontoon in your swamp and I am presently standing on it, high and muppetly dry.

Must go. I have booked a lorry to sit me on the back riding through town flicking Vs at the poor people.