Same stuff, CS... Nastiest weed out there... BTW, horses love the leaves... The beauty of dock is that once it is dug it's gone... It's not all that invasive as long as you get the tap root...

Wish I did links 'cause I'd show you the shovel that "dock" hates... It really does work...

BTW, we did get in the last two trees that were hoping to get in... The P-Vine got in several ferns that she bought last week from the "fern guy" in Forest City, NC...

B~