As thread drift seems an occupational hazard on this subject...

Please forgive me.

Bridge. I just want to take you up on your stance of being proud to be on the left. You see, that troubles me. Shouldn't I know but it does.

It just goes to prove what you keep denying, that you are not capable of rational debate. You have a stance and judge everything by it. You should run for Archbishop of Canterbury. Christian welcome preconceived viewpoints, and they make decent cups of tea after their group indignation sessions on a Sunday.

Being proud of a fixed stance which any subject is then compared to does you no credit.