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Posted By: Richie
18-Oct-12 - 01:55 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Child Ballads: US Versions Part 3
Subject: RE: Origins: Child Ballads: US Versions Part 3
Here's info on 213 from two sources:

Alexander Keith from Greig's Last Leaves of Traditional Ballads:

LXIV. Sir James the Rose (Child, 213):

   There are two different versions of this ballad extant, one traditional, with its " scene " in Perthshire, the other literary and attributed to Michael Bruce, the Loch-Leven poet (1746-1767). Child deals fully with the former, but in Aberdeenshire and and the North-East the latter has, in great measure, ousted the traditional version, so that it is with the Bruce text we have to deal. All the texts of both versions are clearly derived from stall copies, broadsides, or other prints of the second half of the eighteenth century. The versions collected by Messrs. Greig and Duncan differ from one another very slightly, and show only a few verbal changes of the traditional kind from the known printed texts. Accordingly, we give here (as being more interesting) the earliest text we have seen — one which is never alluded to in the controversy over the authorship of the literary ballad — from One Hundred and Fifty Scots Songs, London, 1768.



Excerpt from The British Traditional Ballad in North America by Tristram Coffin 1950, from the section A Critical Biographical Study of the Traditional Ballads of North America

The Child Sir James the Rose ballad is not in America. The American texts are highly sophisticated and based on Sir James the Ross, a song Child, IV, 156 thought to have been composed by Michael Bruce. Barry, Brit Bids M?, 290 i, citing Alexander Keith (editor) in Greig's Last Leaves of Traditional Bids, points out that both the Ross (not in Child's collection) and Rose (which Child printed) ballads are derived from eighteenth century broadsides and stall copies and that Michael Bruce is mistakenly considered the composer of the former. He also points out on Keith's authority that the Ross version has ousted the Rose in Scotland and that his American copy of Ross is identical with the 1768 and oldest known Scottish (150 Scots Songs, London, 1768) text of the story. His version being that old and well established in oral tradition, Barry therefore rates the Ross texts as a primary, rather than a secondary, form of the story in America. Also see MacKenzie, Bids Sea Sgs N Sc, 48. MacKenzie's A version is particularly sophisticated. The Pound, American Speech, Nebraska version does not differ materially from the northern texts.

Richie