Bobert... yer perspective is worth hearing. Just one caution. Guys like LH and me, even tho I can't speak for LH and I just assume he is like me in this case... I just can't wrap my head around that kinda shit. I wasn't brought up "that way" and I am sure most every Mudcatter wasn't brought up that way either BUT... in MY case, I never witnessed the shit that you talk about as a first hand witness. Seriously, man, it seems sooo unreal to me. I just cannot really grasp it at a gut level - I can only believe you... and I do.

BUT... ya gotta give LH and guys like me some slack and explain it with examples and support in the present. I know that sounds like a copout but it's the truth... I truly believe that most people, GOOD people, like LH, who haven't seen what you have seen first hand do not have your appreciation (odd term in this circumstance) of the situation.

Sorry, LH. I suppose I did overstep my boundaries but might there be a tiny bit of reality in my plea to Bobert to understand me... MAYBE you... too?

I wish I was a better wordsmith but if that ain't good enough... well... schenacadaie (there it is).

Bobert. Be cool, man. LH is a cool guy too. Ye fellers would jam tight.

Hehehehehee... I almost said, "Sho nuff would." >;-)