You continue to either miss MY point, Steve... or to ignore it. I don't expect you to change YOUR mind about the important issues of science... and I certainly haven't changed mine as a result of chatting with Pete. I have debated with him for... what?.. 2 years or so? Sometimes I have leaned hard on his misinformation and resistance to reason about science.
   I have even suggested ways to reconcile obvious facts with his faith.
What I have NOT done is to make the UNreasonable leap to the conclusion (as you have) that anyone who can read your/our educated explanations and remain unmoved must be a troll, a fool, or not really 'Christian'. Christians are quite diverse... from Bible pounding fundamentalists who would convert us ALL, to vaguely religious folks who sort of like church going. Pete is nowhere near the extreme area that I feel I need to combat. As far as I can see, he simply HAS ideas that I feel are stubbornly not defensible... from MY viewpoint.
   You know... I am 2000 miles from Pete and can't go have a long chat with him... but YOU 'could' some night head to Seven Stars pub...(no I don't know exactly how far, but it is just a road trip).. and meet him and see if he is a a real troll, or just a stubborn Christian who is perfectly average on other issues....but I don't expect you to waste your time... ;>)
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Lighter:I'm glad you see the philosophical side of Peanuts- *grin*

Here's one for Pete...or maybe for Steve Shaw, depending on the context.



Charlie Brown is walking along when he comes to Lucy, kneeling and looking at something on the sidewalk..."What are you doing , Lucy?"

"Charlie Brown--see this big black bug? Do you know why it's so much bigger than the others? Because it's the QUEEN!"..........so Charlie gets down and peers closely...

"Lucy, that's not a bug...that's a black jelly bean!"

Lucy gives him this LOOK and bends VERY close to scrutinize the bug again..."Why, so it is!...I wonder how a Jelly bean ever got to be queen!"