". I mean, Bill, how many more years of his crap will it take before you see it?"

I never 'take' any of it... I argue with him quietly--partly just to see how well I can express my own view, and partly to try to understand the religious viewpoint.


and DonT is right... and one other member knows Pete personally and agrees.

(Howdy, Pete... *smile*... quite a debate, isn't it? We don't have to actually change minds in order to learn stuff...right?)