Don. I don't do evangelism (I ask for evidence). I don't want to "convert" pete or anyone else. I have nothing to convert anyone to, remember? What I do not get (nor you nor anyone else) from pete is respect for my honest-to-goodness scientific background. Instead, I get a load of ignorant, uninformed prejudice that only makes me feel relieved that he and his ilk don't actually get to run things.