""you can't say with a straight face or ANY credibility at all, that our Presidents, especially this one, or ANY in recent memory can be seen as 'honest' people...shit..how do you think they got to be President??..by telling the truth?""

To a large extent the latest one DID get there by telling the truth, or at least sticking several miles closer to it than his opponent, the wannabe Pres who signally failed, entirely due to being a pathological liar who expected that voters would be stupid enough to believe his lies.

Wipe that egg off your face Goofus, and live with the fact that US voters proved they weren't quite that stupid.

Don T.