Now, Bobert, you're either being disingenuous or just plain silly.

RE: post of 15 Nov 12 - 08:54 PM

1. Thinks about it this way, Greg...

I CAN'T think about it "that way" Bobert, nor should you or any rational being - because Lincoln didn't have a crystal ball and didn't know the future. In 1861 he dodn't "know" what was going to happen in 1862, never mind 1877 or 1963. Nor can he be held responsible for "causing" things after he was dead- especially 150 years after he was dead.

2.Slavery was on its way out even here in the South...[in 1861]

I asked you to substantiate this claim before, & you didn't even try; here's another chance.

Since chattel slavery as practiced in the U.S. was unique among the slave societies of the world, what makes you think things "would" have developed in the U.S. the way they did in the rest of the world. That and the fact that world-wide demand for cotton & other slave-produced commodities from the U.S.was on the increase? What is the evidence that slavery was "on the way out" in the U.S. in 1860?

3. Lincoln made a decision to push the South in re-supplying Sumpter... Lincoln knew the consequences... Lincoln picked war

This is one of the silliest contentions of the "Lost Cause" myth. Mean, nasty, unscrupulous, tricky Abe conned them poor, dumb, ignorant, Southern bumpkins and forced the South to war.

C'mon! Take a look -a real look - at the history of the U.S from the Missouri Compromise up to 1860. Read the speeches of the Southern senators & congressmen. Read the editorials in the Charleston "Mercury" and the Richmond "Examiner" & etc. Read the several Ordinances of Secession.

If you need identify a single individual who "picked war" try either Edmund Ruffin or Colonel James Chesnut, Jr, or Lieutenant Henry S. Farley.

4. You also never answered how Lincoln could tell Jeff Davis, "Have a nice day"... and uphold his presidental oath & preserve & defend the Union.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, Bobert- I'm really curious about your positions on these.

Greg