Excellent points, Bill. (I wasn't in the least suggesting that YOU were bludgeoning anyone, it was a general observation!) Most interesting that you appreciate the cultural and social aspects of religion and belief. One of the criticisms of the Church of England is the culture of the Tory lady, right-wing, Tudor music, nice hats type of worshipper who is more interested in what the other ladies in the pews are wearing than in what is going forward in the service. Another point I liked was the 'fundamentalist problem'. Tolerance (which in principle I support) gives freedom to bizarre and questionable or downright toxic practices, such as female genital mutilation and cruel exorcism etc. Even my husband's observance of Ramadan (which I respect and support) seems to me strange and not healthy, when even drinking water is forbidden in very hot climates. Finally, you're quite right that 'thinking' doesn't always apply to religious beliefs. None of it is terribly logical, but we WILL stick to our chosen faith. I feel the secret of Peace is calm tolerance, if at all possible.