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Thread #147391   Message #3441102
Posted By: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
23-Nov-12 - 03:09 PM
Thread Name: BS: Alternative to Science??
Subject: RE: BS: Alternative to Science??
well steve-glad you can see the logic.you almost made a concession!.
shimrod i think said "who made God?"that is an illogical question,like asking "to whom is the batchelor married"
of course,if your god is darwin or some other material entity there is a beginning.the same i guess for tooth fairies and spahgatti beasts.
matter etc is running down if i am correct and consequently cannot be eternal or it would have long since ceased.your beginning is some big bang from some condensed singularity[and before that?].
the maths experts here can tell me if there is consensus on the following-to wit that the probability of nothing exploding to begin everything and first life building blocks has so many zeros after it as to amount to an impossibility.
the theist points to an eternal,spiritual,supernatural,all powerful God and IMO the One described in the bible fits the bill.
your objection steve [other than blind prejudice] is that such a creator would need to be more complex than that which he made.
i think that this mindset posits him with the same material limitations as his creation.He is not material but spiritual and supernatural so not complex in material terms.
he is eternal,has no beginning and is the [more than ] sufficient cause required for creation.
this is not an argument that you will countenance but IMO IS a logical position-nothing twisted about it.
so we come to your version of beginnings with no scientific proof-a miracle without a miracle maker!.

so us and every thing are transitional forms?!sounds very clever but
i dont think darwin used that angle did he.im sure steve can give ch and vs if he did.i do know he was hoping transitional forms would be found but there is not much to show for it still.
i presume there were fossils found in his day but all the yrs and tons dug up since have not realized his expectations.just a lot more of much the same i suspect.
and as i mentioned before maybe - i could quote evolutionists confessing the dearth of such evidence.much more telling than creationists pointing it out-dont you think!