Sorry, Jim. I know it isn't the main point and I should probably let it lie; but what the hell has Cambridge got to do with it, however rhetorical a trope, if not as a bit of chippiness? I genuinely cannot get your point as to how it relates to your perceiving me as 'wanting it both ways' ~~ see my response to Steve about judging each case on its merits. The Gaza/Hamas situation really does seem to me in a different category from the olive-groves, fences, and all the other disgusting Israeli goings-on that you [& I] take such justified exception to. I regard this as an attempt to arrive at a judgment on this precise aspect of the situation, rather that an inconsistency. You don't have to agree with this assessment, but try to recognise it for what it is ~~ & leave Cambridge out of it: I can't help having been there, & see no reason to be in any way ashamed of or apologetic for it -- it's some sort of unworthy 'ism' on your part, hosoever you try to laugh it off as 'rhetorical'. & if it isn't chippy-shoulderism, then it's something that ill befits your intelligence and your much-vaunted tolerance.