Righto Pete. I can't find a citiation for the Gould quote, so am not sure of it's context so if you could supply one I'd be grateful and I'll look it up. It could be he did day it, but ~I can't find where or when so it's over to your good self.w

"there are many creationist scientists now and many in the past-under whose biblical worldview science flourished."

Citations to support this argument please - of peer-reviewed papers published in the usual literature. I would like to read these papers.

"i am impressed that you can reel off so many scientific disciplines.i could,nt-even less know enough about them to assert that they all attest to any theories verity."

Don't be (I suspect you're still taking the piss). However, with respect you also know rag all about geology and palaeontology but still feel qualified enough to pronounce on the inaccuracy and apparent dishonesty of much that I have presented in this thread. The fact is, how the fuck do you know whether you're right or not if you don't know anything about the subject. Where do you get your facts from?

"the fact that most scientists [say they ]believe darwinism is not a valid argument"

You know what I'm going to say. Put up or shut up time! I can't wait to see which scientists are eschewing natural selection. Fill yer boots. Shock me.

One more thing that bugs me. Much of the dogma you have expounded in this thread is widely available in creationist websites. How come you believe them without question? You obviously question my motivation for posting here, so do you ever question theirs.

My motivation? Truth.