The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #148617   Message #3452313
Posted By: Bill D
15-Dec-12 - 11:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
I'm awake to another day.... and more of the same arguments.

"..anyone can make a gun out of anything."

First, that is hyperbole... even experts need some basic items. And second, most people would NOT be able to....or want to. Third, most of those who could would need detailed instructions and/or an expert looking over their shoulder. Fourth, those who could and wanted to would need ammunition, and even fewer could make powder and useful shells for their non-standard creations. Finally, if, in a society where there were few **legal** guns they did make illegal ones, and USED gun & ammo in criminal ways, they wouldn't last long!

Ok... here I go, venting.. The stupidest argument going is that "if more people were gun owners and trained to use them, all would be safer!"
Think about it! How many people do YOU know who would never be competent to own a gun and trustworthy to use one properly? Those people are called victims!
Please remember... these gun crimes are **usually** committed by people- usually young males- with mental, family, and societal issues! THEY can be 'trained' to use a gun and legally licensed before they choose to do something stupid! Those who can't pass a usage & mental test..or are too young... can steal one!! Even those who are not likely to intentionally shoot up schools can accidentally shoot their family & friends... and do... every day. And some of you want to argue that MORE guns are the best policy? Quote: "BULLSHIT"! Unquote.

It makes NO difference even if you manage to reduce the percentage of idiots and disturbed individuals by psychology, testing, and various other methods... there WILL be more than you can find & deal with- like ants at a picnic. The ants, at least, are doing something natural, antwise. We deal with ants by controlling the ways ants can bother us! We cover our food, eat at a table,etc. We do not attempt to train other ants to fight the first ants... or train all family members to squish ants!

So... you don't like my silly metaphor? Let's cut to the chase.


With a steady supply of unstable people seemingly guaranteed, we either control the ways they can bother us or we accept more stories like this. By all means... do whatever possible to diagnose & treat mental instabilities for all sorts of reasons! Just don't kid yourselves that YOU.. or any combination of relatively sane, trained gun owners... can seriously control these ants unstable people! Remember... there WAS a guy with a gun when Gabby Giffords was shot who nearly pulled HIS gun and shot the wrong person! Put 12 like him in that crowd, all 'reacting' at once....or even more in that movie theater... or that mall. Those who have seen a lot of military combat KNOW stories where 'trained' soldiers shot the wrong people in hectic circumstances.....same with 'trained' police.

Let's be honest... guns are in many ways similar to drugs. The more people mess with them, the more addictive they are! Even those of you who are not likely to EVER do anything stupid with them can't quit talking about them... comparing details, firepower, ammo, etc. You flatly do not WANT to lose your guns, and you create complex stories to justify your addiction! For every story where a gun was used wisely in self defense, there are a hundred where a tragedy occurred.... and THAT is a statistic that only needs tweaking to clarify the truth.