If Akenaton wishes to put a view forward, he has to appreciate that as part of the debate, his stance will be scrutinised, just the same as mine or anyone elses, and judged by peers. That then informs the debate.

To date, I have seen homophobic rants based on the flimsy "danger to society" angle that is the last resort of the ridiculous and a deep heartfelt view that a Gay lifestyle is a detriment to society.

I don't think I do drink in the pub with Akenaton. I have worked in Scotland in various locations over the years, and just like anywhere else, bigotry betrays itself. To be honest, I am judging him as a person, in the same way he judges others.

And I don't like what I read.

If you find it difficult to hate, may I suggest reading some of your own posts on this subject? Through the usual brainwashing cycle, the hate will eventually come to you...

Back to topic. I read a tweet by Stephen Fry the other day that sums up the whole idea of having a view on the extent of gay rights. He says it is wrong to consider giving Alan Turing a pardon. Because he hadn't done anything wrong in the first place.

Quite.