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Thread #148703   Message #3455624
Posted By: Donuel
21-Dec-12 - 11:02 PM
Thread Name: BS: Beginning of serious conversation
Subject: RE: BS: Beginning of serious conversation
Ron Davies is absolutely accurate in his history.
Stim I have read AMos for 14 years and got a fairly good handle after 5 years. I even wrote a 4000 word spoof on AMos the most powerful man in the world spoof, ( most people did not get it.)
Bobert's heart is always in the right direction which is left.
Others I know not by avatar names also have profound comment.

Songwronger: Hey wont you play, somebody got somebody's song wrong ergain.

Fair enough wronger, you said what you think of progressives and their gun attitudes but rather superfiscially without heart. Silly history references though. Guatamala even if armed to the teeth was not going to defeat the National Fruit Corporation and the CIA armed forces. etc. Never mind tiny nations defeated by empires, for every home owned bullet used in self defense or an intruder being shot, 4 more bullets enter a loved one or family member in the home by accident or domestic quarrel.



But good for songwronger for telling me what he thinks of liberal gum control advocates. Perhpas he is not a shill for guns but a devils fake advocate but it matters not.
I am probably an FDR Democrat which means I am a Liberal in songwrong's eyes. To know each other better I will tell you as honestly as I can what I think of vehement gun advocate. This is what I internally think about 'you' as a pro gun adovocate:
stay with me on this

When I get behind the wheel I am very aware of the power of the car, the new horizons ahead, the speed beyond human power and the time saved compared to walking. When a gun lover holds a gun I envision the power he or she feels having the power of life or death, the fun embellished by movie characters and legends of war, how cool it is to be holding a real combat weapon like the AR 15 Bushmaster, the skill one may or may not express hitting targets of people (some of which outline the skeletal structure). The fun, the leathality and the power are the things I believe are in the hearts of most shooters, expert or novice.

I also believe that whatever fear or insecurity a person can feel is dispelled when wielding an assault semi automatic. I believe they experience a feeling of superiority over an imagined lesser or unarmed opponent.

I believe people who used such weapons in actual combat must wean themselves of having a weapon of any kind just to have peace of mind that they are not unarmed or helpless. This is a stress non combatents will not have.

I believe that the feeling of the power of a powerful weapon is seductive and actually has a fetish component of somting akin to affection for the gun that delivers a certain confidence that may carry on even when not carrying.

I believe that gun lovers easily compensate for these deep feelings by accepting without question the NRA propoganda to equate gun ownership and shooting with patriotism, individualism or strength in numbers, honor, god, country, freedom, liberty, armed forces training and mental conditioning, and yes even religious affliation. But mostly it just feels cool. The stories of fondly hunting with dad sound overblown to me.

I believe some shameless gun advocates buy into a right wing political agenda for their psyche and fun but will say aloud it is becuase of the Constitution and liberty and (all the other NRA claims to magnify gun addictions. Yes I said addictions but you are in good company, not as wealthy as those addicted to money or sore as those addicted to sex or not as laid back as those addicted to drugs, but an addiction all the same.

So things like addiction, fetish, security/insecurity, self deception of higher loftier asperations when it is mostly just fun entertainment and a power trip are some aspects I see in outspoken gun advocates, however the desire of great profits is the central desire of the NRA and its associated manufacturers. Sadly I see a disconnect between their fun and cost of real lives which has equaled and now exceeds traffic death. (air bags do help)

thats what I think about some outspoken gun owners, how wronger am I?

Who else knows that more US children die of their gun shot wounds than from Cancer?