Actually, Keith, so what? Would you condemn paragliding or white-water rafting or Formula One racing or rock climbing on the grounds that they are risky? You know, people who indulge in those pastimes all know the risks. They all follow the respective protocols of their activities with regard to safety procedures. Some people say it's elfansafety gorn mad, even. But they know the risk and they know what insurance will cover them and what won't and they proceed accordingly. People who indulge in such things are highly educated in their specific activities. I don't hear you condemning them on moral grounds, yet you are more than prepared to condemn gay sex on moral grounds (and please don't pretend you're saying what you do out of the goodness of your heart because your primary concern is their well-being). So how come your posts, and akenaton's posts, are not full of calls for much better education for safe sex? So that everyone knows what is high-risk and what is low-risk? And please don't tell me again, tediously, that queers are already awash with information. Everybody should know everything, and it needs to be presented to everyone in an open, clergy-free, moralising-free, embarrassment-free, from-the-hip manner. It's far too important not to do so, and we do live in the 21st century. Not just homosexuals, everyone with a working dick or fanny. Before they have a working dick or fanny. That simply is not done. Why is it not done? Because people like you get in the bloody way all the time, that's why. Your agenda is to bash gay people, that much is clear. Naturally, anything that gets in the way of your gay-bashing is rather unwelcome. Both of you have studiously ignored my repeated calls for better sex education. If you disagree, prove it: fill all your subsequent posts with demands that the government ploughs resources into effective sex education. Not just in schools, but in the papers, on the telly, everywhere. I don't want people to die of Aids. I'm beginning to suspect that people dying of Aids actually suit your purpose rather nicely. After all, it's far easier to gay-bash when you can do the Daily Express thing of smearing gay people with visiting horrid plagues on the rest of us. Without Aids, your argument would be so much weaker, wouldn't it? You'd have nothing but queers' pink shirts and white socks to go on, would you?